tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79723819638700739.post3950173699244546954..comments2023-12-19T08:12:59.428-08:00Comments on Post-Punk Cinema Club: Independence Day (1996)a ppcc representativehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03533616493105736109noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79723819638700739.post-31908524535188941432023-04-29T06:45:57.788-07:002023-04-29T06:45:57.788-07:00https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsE...https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjC2c7EmHTPP86FnTDAHXeqNMI0bxbAv7FtJ7Vvy0KREawpqNNoT36HALykUmQWHIJ4J2-eAbfnUwRDrYzQe2w_14Cc1N4Hk3V644MQKyZXMkSJdKTYT6IuUWv9dhooNiR9mjxorQanwSSoooEOx2V5ixTrh4JKE_4_igXVo5F8aVYa0OYqkNJHhIgrIQjackvh2001@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07149477008235423625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79723819638700739.post-90457893552956368252022-04-24T09:03:57.896-07:002022-04-24T09:03:57.896-07:00https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WyI4Me1qM9c/YmS...https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WyI4Me1qM9c/YmSoITmf6sI/AAAAAAAAKUU/VZFjxlaCP585-GGjYApz7denCIYW4-CNACNcBGAsYHQ/s1600/1650763808098760-0.pngjackvh2001@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07149477008235423625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79723819638700739.post-49002524238271496712022-04-24T09:03:37.785-07:002022-04-24T09:03:37.785-07:00https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1ESgpi9AeCw/YmV...https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1ESgpi9AeCw/YmV0OCYTR8I/AAAAAAAAKUo/CqzfCSuPOnYt_qhZpXXIlwUlRpd6o4KywCNcBGAsYHQ/s1600/1650816055516143-0.pngjackvh2001@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07149477008235423625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79723819638700739.post-61844118772452973772009-07-29T16:36:11.376-07:002009-07-29T16:36:11.376-07:00I agree with you Rooky..
Todd DiRoberto
http://www...I agree with you Rooky..<br />Todd DiRoberto<br />http://www.newsguide.us/art-entertainment/movies/Todd-DiRoberto-of-American-Satellite-Hosts-Independence-Day-Charity-Event-for-Operation-Bigs/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79723819638700739.post-16272625006972520752008-05-29T14:44:00.000-07:002008-05-29T14:44:00.000-07:00Memsaab - Bill Pullman is actually made of steel i...Memsaab - Bill Pullman is actually made of steel in this film. <BR/><BR/>Beth - Awww! No one should take trash talk re: Independence Day. It's so much fun!<BR/><BR/>Sanket - OMG, YES, that is the best dialogue. Will is absolutely hilarious in this. And ironically (given the B-movie category this is in), I agree that Mary McDonnell's death scene was oddly powerful. I forgot all about it until rewatching the movie recently, and then was like, whoa.<BR/><BR/>Ajnabi - Fruity pebbles for the brain, HA! Love it.<BR/><BR/>Rooky, UK - Welcome! Yeah, you make very good points, I noticed those things as well. I think the only reason(s) I consider the film's subtext overall positive rather than negative is:<BR/>(1) It's really fun, so maybe I'm blinded by how much fun it is?<BR/>(2) None of the stereotypes seem to be teased. Rather, if it's possible, I always see everyone as fairly endearingly presented. You could argue that stereotypes are, by definition, offensive. But I would say that the stereotypes in this film are as benevolent as possible - things like Jeff's Dad's "typical Jewish" neurosis, and Will Smith's "typical African-American" saucy tough-guy-ness - are not ridiculed or undermined, per se, but rather they are used to gain our affections.<BR/>(3) Everyone, from every background, plays a critical role in killing the aliens. I think it would have been more offensive if President White Guy just saved everyone's ass, or if, as the joke goes, Will Smith died first. <BR/><BR/>But I completely agree re: USA ethnocentrism. That's unfortunately a big problem of Hollywood movies generally, it seems! <BR/><BR/>Anyway, thanks for the comment! The PPCC needs more dissenting voices, or else we'll never learn.<BR/><BR/>Bollyviewer - I remember being squeezed in by two large strange men in the theatre when I saw this movie. The theatre was so packed, I had to split up from my friends! This was in an academic journal!? I can't access the article; what's it about?<BR/><BR/>Shweta - OMG, why don't I remember this scene? The whole montage of "but what are the Others up to?" was generally offensive (the African tribes rattling their walking sticks at the aliens?!).<BR/><BR/>Agreed that Will Smith makes up like 90% reason to watch this movie (the Jeff makes up the remaining 90%).the PPCC is a big fat idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16288839284512965083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79723819638700739.post-23335792811704602002008-05-28T08:57:00.000-07:002008-05-28T08:57:00.000-07:00Will Smith is oh so amazing here!The scene that sc...Will Smith is oh so amazing here!<BR/>The scene that scarred me for life was where they showed Indians praying to (or at least in front of) the Taj Mahal- rofl- which is hilarious, since as far as I know, one wouldnt pray to a tomb :)Shweta Mehrotra Gahlawathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13543438271055378809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79723819638700739.post-316711009283603922008-05-27T18:31:00.000-07:002008-05-27T18:31:00.000-07:00Loved this movie - it was the first disaster/sci-f...Loved this movie - it was the first disaster/sci-fi movie I saw on the big screen. :-)<BR/><BR/>And, popcorn movie or not - this one has the distinction of being the only sci-fi movie to be reviewed in the scientific journal <A HREF="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v382/n6593/pdf/382681a0.pdf" REL="nofollow">Nature</A>! (You need a subscription to Nature to read the article, but most institutional libraries should give you access)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79723819638700739.post-66470623598040740982008-05-27T18:29:00.000-07:002008-05-27T18:29:00.000-07:00I disagree with you, ppcc. This film is a fictiona...I disagree with you, ppcc. This film is a fictional evidence of American patriotism bordering bigotry, and the only way it is "multicultarism" is that they briefly show people in other nations. The characters, particularly the protagonists, also convey racial stereotypes - there's a nerdy male American Jewish scientist, an athletic male African-American soldier working under the command of a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant president. The personal backgrounds of each protagonist is also quite racially stereotypical, such as the president's nuclear family and the fornicating African-American hero's relationship with a stripper who has a child from a previous relationship. The film also unrealistically shows not only how some countries are dependent on the US, but also that the US are in command and that they're saviours of the battle, despite other countries working alongside them. Of course, since it's a film made in USA, it would therefore portray their own country in a biased manner like many other Hollywood films (Three Kings etc). I would like to see more Hollywood films in the style of Clint Eastwood's directorial films - perhaps like his films, internationally co-producing a film may help to add a sense of realism to it. I still really like Independence Day though - a great form of escapism!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79723819638700739.post-75366366143492199512008-05-27T14:52:00.000-07:002008-05-27T14:52:00.000-07:00I know this is a total popcorn movie, like you sai...I know this is a total popcorn movie, like you said, but, dude, I LOVE it. It's like Fruity Pebbles for the brain--you know it's so bad for you but all the pretty colors keep you spooning it down.ajnabihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08296593338690811213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79723819638700739.post-5713154251017403772008-05-27T14:42:00.000-07:002008-05-27T14:42:00.000-07:00I hate when this movie is playing on tv - if I hap...I hate when this movie is playing on tv - if I happen to flip to it I can just say goodbye to the next 2 hours. This thing was villified by the critics but is just perfect mindless B-movie escapism at it's finest. Mary McDonnell (kicking alien ass on her as THE president of these United States on the woefully underwatched 'Battlestar Galactica') cannot be forgotten as having the most gentle death scene in recent cinematic memory.<BR/><BR/>And of course who can forget Will Smith walking through the desert...<BR/><BR/>"Y'know, this was supposed to be my weekend off. But noooo. You got me out here, draggin' your heavy ass, through the burnin' desert, with your dreadlocks sticking out the back of my parachute. You gotta come down here with an attitude, actin' all big and bad… and WHAT THE HELL IS THAT SMELL?! [screams and kicks the alien] I could've been at a BARBECUE! But I ain't mad."<BR/><BR/>... just brilliant.Sanket Vyashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00410998671085464946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79723819638700739.post-5965353037660289832008-05-27T08:59:00.000-07:002008-05-27T08:59:00.000-07:00I moved to Canada right after this movie came out ...I moved to Canada right after this movie came out - coincidentally, not in protest - and got non-stop snarky comments about it from my adopted compatriots.Beth Loves Bollywoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05540154833326987567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79723819638700739.post-7041064173963493362008-05-26T07:41:00.000-07:002008-05-26T07:41:00.000-07:00"steely-eyed glare of STEEL" hahahahahahahhhaaaa!"steely-eyed glare of STEEL" hahahahahahahhhaaaa!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com